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obama on the debt ceil ing. >> the problem is, the way bush has done it over the last eight years, to take out a credit card from the bang of china in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents, number 43, he added $4 trillion by his lonesome, and now we have over $9 trillion of debt. and we will have to pay it back $30,000 for every man, woman and child. that sir responsible. it is unpatriotic. >>eric: so it was unpatriotic and now, he wants us to believe it is bad to have a limit on the credit card. >>guest: the $30,000 is now $50,000 for every man, woman, and child. he failed to point that out. that is the absolute height of hypocrisy. would you give someone who has maxed out every credit card they own more unlimited credit? that is what the president is asking for. it is simply ridiculous and nauseating to people who have to be responsible with their finances. it is hypocrisy. >>eric: you, herman cain. >> did you notice my casual look today? >>eric: love it. love it. great to see you. >> did you catch this last night? >>
. right? it's not complicated. president obama, we've got this big debt crisis. president obama, two things -- number 1, months ago, he put out a detailed plan. it's in print, and it's online, of how to resolve this fiscal crisis. no. 2, the republicans said we are not going to deal with it. we will take seven weeks off. we will have an election and let the people decide. president obama went out in front of the american people. there was one issue, the central issue. it wasn't the war in iraq iran's nuclear possibility of iran getting nuclear weapons it wasn't peace in the middle east. it wasn't immigration reform. the number 1 was issue was president obama said very clear, we want the wealthiest two percents of americans to pay more in tax after having 12 years of a special tax break, which was only supposed to be temporary. if you say yes vote for me. mitt romney says, no, we are going to caudle, protect that top 2%. we are not going to raise their taxes. so if you say no, vote for me. that was a choice. the american people overwhelmingly, overwhelmi
are out of work. 46 million are on food stamps. we're $16 trillion in debt. >> it is really clear from what we've seen so far. >> you agree with barber. have president obama's policies helped you? let's really help the middle class. vote against barber and obama. >> jennifer: okay. so this was a campaign ad and the campaign ad was financed by this saudi-led oil lobby group. how can a saudi-led foreign entity fund a campaign commercial in america? >> well, the citizens united decision in 2010 opened significant loopholes for these tiepts of problems -- these types of problems. essentially, everyone talks about super pacs. most of them -- most super pacs are funded by individuals. but citizens united also enabled trade associations which historically have been fund and led by foreigners on to act as a campaign committee. the only difference is that trade associations don't have to disclose during the election. so a lot of foreign -- >> jennifer: so it is even worse than what you would find from a corporation giving
by folding the debt ceiling into fiscal cliff talks. take a listen. >> obama: congress, in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year i will not play that game. >> jennifer: fortunately for us "newsweek" "daily beast" special correspondent michael tomasky is always up for playing political games himself. he's joining us from washington d.c. thanks for coming back inside "the war room." >> it is always my pleasure, governor. >> jennifer: always a pleasure to have you. so let me talk about this debt ceiling issue. because really, as we look at it really the only leverage that republicans have on the fiscal cliff talks they proceed to be with the debt limit right? so today the treasury department ups the ante by endorsing republican senator mitch mcconnell's summer 2011 provision which you know, he suggested and it effectively lets t
's fiscal cliff offer spurned by republicans. obama takes hard line on debt. which might be news to some people in the parenthetical. tony is a political correspondent and mark hannah is a former aide to the john kerry and barack obama presidential campaigns. some of the media tries to short form the story and comes up with a headline that can be barbed easily. this is suggested by a cable anchor who suggested the media has been arrogant since barack obama won in covering him and in covering in particular this fiscal cliff. tony, your thoughts. >> it could only be an msnbc anchor to take this long to figure out. there have been some media, the financial times which endorsed the president has called the president's bluff on this plan. they say this is the same proposal he put in front of congress that received zero votes a year ago, not even one democratic vote. but what the media has been doing is buying into this story line that president obama has some sort of mandate to do whatever he wants and that is truly false. obviously he has been given more time, but not to ram through an agend
>>> right now on "andrea mitchell reports" line in the sand. president obama warns republicans not to create another debt ceiling crisis as a tactic in the budget talks. >> that is a bad strategy for america, it's a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. >> the speaker says the president's opening bid couldn't even pass the democratic led senate. boehner is ready for a sit down with the president. >> we can't sit here and negotiate with ourselves and if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. and a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> a rare senate appearance, by former majority leader bob dole wasn't enough to win over republican support for a treaty promising equal rights for people with disabilities. we'll talk with the leading sponsor john kerry about what he called one of the sadsest days of his long senate career. >> this vote is to test whether the senate will stand up for those who cannot see or hear and whether senators can hear the truth and
power to raise the federal debt limit without congressional approval. in other words, an obama blank cheque. that is not all. he also wants the estate tax to be levied at 45% on inheritances a step even democratic senators are balking on this current is 35%. the obama offer contained no serious cuts, no serious reforms to entitlement programs and no serious proposals of tax reform this president had the gall to count savings more than one billion dollars from ending wars in iraq and afghanistan no one has proposed war spending over the next decade that includes cuts to domestic programs agreed to last year, fuzzy washington math. what this is obama's propose last year which received zero votes in the house or senate this is disguised as a so-called compromise offer. don't be fooled it is no such thing. the so-called offer was nothing less than a disgrace what he did yesterday with geithner. the proposal was as dishonest and misleading as date is long. the question is, how should the gop respond to this travesty? republicans should do several things. first, do what senator mcconnell d
are not going to play that game next year. >> up until now, the gop has ln playing with a load of debt but today president obama has the trump card. joining me now is congresswoman janet can kakowski, member of the progressive caucus and mar sdwree omera, democratic strategist. thank you both for coming on the show tonight. congresswoman, let me start with you. is the gop serious about holding the economy hostage again just to get what they want? >> well, think about the cards that they are holding. they are in favor of tax cuts for the rich. they want to cut tax care programs and medicare and make seniors pay and threaten the economy of the united states of america by defaulting on payments or at least to threaten that. this is not a very popular position among the public. in fact, they will be -- i think it's a suicide mission that they are on, that the american people will make them pay the price. i really don't understand their strategy. >> margie, if you look at the fact that in the 2011 debt ceiling battle senator mitch mcconnell had this to say. he said, i think some of our members may ha
negotiations until the debt ceiling vote next year. president obama won't have it. the president is attacking the only leverage republicans have left. the president spoke to a group of ceos today and said that he will not negotiate if debt ceiling is going to be used as a hostage. >> i have to just tell you, that is a bad strategy for america, it is a bad strategy for your businesses, and it is not a game that i will play. so i want to send a very clear message to people here. we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history, until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we've got to break that habit before it starts. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also made it very clear, this is no game. he spoke with cnbc about holding the line with tax increases for the top 2%. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fis
the bigger battle when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. president obama essentially today said he's not willing to play that game. noting what happened in 2011 with the u.s. hurting its credit rating, just the political particular sis that brought on and said, look, we have been there. i'm not going to do that again. >> not to mention the white house and the president still, of course, would hold a strong hand even if the bush tax cuts were dealt with which you mentioned earlier. >> there are a few cards that the white house would be able to play even if republicans said, look, we'll meet your demands and pass the extension on tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less and still undissolved fights of the estate tax and fight with the actual tax rates would be in some type of tax reform and as well as how much willingness there would be from the white house and democrats on entitlement. the white house and democrats would have a type of say in that and still have a leverage and make no mistake. republicans with more leverage going in to february or march getting rid of this tax cut
every year under this administration. president obama has nearly doubled the debt. the spending is out of control. and it's -- we have this economy that continues to struggle -- >> the debt ceiling -- >> the debt ceiling is our opportunity to really look at these questions, but the republicans want to negotiate -- speaker boehner the day after the election, went to the podium and put tax revenue on the table. this is our moment, this is our -- tip o'neill and president reagan back in the early '80s, they came together. they negotiated to save social security as well as address the spending. and it was a $3 in spending cuts to every dollar in new revenue. and that's the type of approach we need today. >> they never used the issue of debt ceiling in those negotiations. that's relatively new. the president says, i will not play that game. he may have no choice, because the republicans have a decisive majority in the house of representatives. if they want to play that game, he's going to have to do it. >> whey believe the president is saying is, we could get to a big deal, a good big deal
for president obama by 20 point. deeply in debt. to suggest we need help from d.c., maybe that detroit city councilmember opened up the door for a request for a federal bailout. martha: one of the biggest burdens on the municipality have been the deals the public unions have struck for their workers. we have seen it in places where the promises have been made where there i not the money to support. i there any question the administration -- that the president is open to the idea that the president is open to bail out these municipalities? >> there is no mention so far. but you are right to point out the union connect. president obama's reelect heavily supported by municipal unions and it's the pensions promised to municipal union workers, that is what is strangling many of the states that are in such dire straight. illinois and california in particular. will quid pro quo be called in by municipal unions like it has been called in by the municipal councilmember. martha: what happens if they don't get it. what happens if there aren't bailouts. >> detroit is bankrupt. other cities have declare
hand you have president obama's proposal, which most agree is the responsible way of raising the debt, raising rates. and responsible cuts on entitlements and discretionary spending versus republicans who are divided against something that is a chicken hawk when it comes to the deficits, that is the boehner approach, or the more extremist position which is absolutely nothing.ç so this is an extraordinary position for the republican party to have evolved into. >> you must respond to what julian just said. >> i like julian an awful lot but i think what he said is entirely wrong. it's fascinating president obama last july, july of 2011, said we can get $1.2 trillion in revenue where we don't have to raise marginal tax rates and close loopholes and julian says most economists agree, in fact, this won't add to the deficit. look, you're only talking about $89 billion a year of the tax dollars of top two drapes. julian and i will agree, however, this deal is not serious. you need to have a lot more on the table for entitlements and -- >> let me correct him on a couple of factual matters. w
for everybody. in the current news center. >> good morning, everybody! president obama is meeting with business leaders again today to talk about the consequences of going over the fiscal cliff. he's also claiming to call on congressional leaders to make sure we raise the debt ceiling without contention. the white house making the case that extending the bush tax cuts for the middle class is directly connected to the health of our businesses. companies need to know consumers will be able to spend and in his first post-election interview president obama again rejected the house republican counteroffer that is on the table. >> unfortunately the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. we're going to have to see the rates on the top 2% go up and we're not going to be able to get a deal without it. >> let's hope he sticks to it. >> g.o.p. leaders aren't only dealing with the president and congressional democrats they're dealing with a split within their own ranks. more conservative republicans don't want part
in the drawdown from the war efforts in afghanistan and iraq, and then a number of spending proposals that obama put on the table in august of '11. consider that against what republicans are doing, and this shows that republicans are really chicken hawks when it comes to reducing the debt. they have a plan on tax reduction which most economists think would do far more harm than the obama plan would. secondly, they fail to specify what kind of cuts they want. remember, this is the party that's campaigned for two election cycles now on cutting government spinding, but when you ask them to identify exactly what you want to cut, you get mishmash from them. you get $100 billion in medicare savings by increasing the retirement age from 65 to 67. you get some unspecified savings from reducing social security. the only specifics if you add them up are about $300 billion or $400 billion in specific cuts, the rest are inspecific. this is the party whose fundamental premise is to cut government spending. you ask them to identify how they want to do it, and they start speaking in gibberish. it shows you thi
made a real legacy that said i accept the debt deal that obama and i are negotiating which is essentially his opening offer now? wouldn't that have been the legacy that he could have rested his hat on? >> it would have been interesting. he essentially attempted to be a representative of his caucus rather than a leader of his caucus. >> exactly. >> it would have been interesting. i think he could have either been a great leader or burned and gone -- been taken down. it was a 50/50 proposition. >> all right. matt lewis, thank you so much. >> thank you, matt. >> fascinating. incredible read, "herding cats." >>> still ahead -- it's just cruel. i felt bat readid reading it. you know where i stand. >> cures cancer. >> let's see. >> okay. >>> coming up, we're going to bring in republican congressman tom cole who broke ranks with his party over the tax debate last week. can't wait to talk to him and get his insights. also, we'll be talking foreign policy with national security adviser dr. brzezinski. keep it right here on "morning joe." music is a universal language. but when i was
republicans will reach an agreement but 43% say they won't. meantime, president obama is giving a stern warning to republicans who may be trying to use the debt ceiling as leverage. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> we should say that the president and house speaker john boehner did speak by phone yesterday. that was the first time in a week. no one is saying what the conversation was about. shortly after that call treasury secretary tim geithner went on cnbc and said the white house is ready to go off the cliff. >> if republicans do not agree to that, is the administration prepared to go over the fiscal cliff in. >> absolutely. there's no prospect to an agreement that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest. it's only 2%. >> i want to bring in "usa today" bureau chief and welcome to both of you. where ar
to tax increase. >> karen, president obama took his message on the campaign trail, if you will, friday. clearly a different strategy from last year's debt ceiling talks when he spent a lot of time behind closed doors trying to hammer out a deal with speaker boehner. as we move closer to the end of the year, will we see the president go back to working this out with boehner or will we continue to see him out on the trail? >> you know, i think you're going to continue to see both. let me make a comment about simpson/bowles the president signed into cuts more cuts than what the republicans walked away from. the combination of what is in the 2013 proposed from the president already, again, more cuts and more savings with regard to health care reform. so, in terms of a framework, the president has been very aggressive in putting the plan on the table and the strategy you're seeing is this inside/out stradgy so when people are sitting in those rooms the voice of the american people is much louder than it would otherwise be. again, you heard this from president and from the democrats. we just
debt limit talks early next year. yesterday at a business round table of ceos president obama took a hard line warning his opponents not to consider this strategy. >> if congress in any way suggests they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last ye year, i will not play that game. >> i wonder. the president is saying, steve, that, you know what? we can raise rates now and maybe lower them later, next year, so republicans are now saying we'll raise rates now. maybe we'll lower them later and talk about it during debt ceiling. now he is saying no we're not going to talk about it then either. when would we have this debate, when we are renaming post offices in july? i mean -- >> clarify something for people that are watching. republicans are talking about raising taxes on the rich. john boehner said that yesterday. we're just not talking about raising the top marginal rate. right? >> right. >> both sides are now talking about
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challenges we have long neglected. but i refuse to leave our children with debt that they cannot repay. that means taking responsibility right now. and this administration for getting our spending under control. >> 's the one that was president obama just weeks after he took office in 2009 at the opening of the fiscal responsibility summit. today we owe more than $16 trillion, and he wants to raise the debt ceiling to spend even more money that we honestly don't have. our next guest says that both sides are to blame equally. charlie is a columnist for the washington times. okay, they cannot be equal. who is more to blame? the president or congress. i would make the argument that obama is clearly the one. certainly democrats are probably little bit more to blame. two years ago, democrats ran the entire town. they had a filibuster proof majority in the senate. they control the house and white house. if they wanted to cut spending at that time, they could have done so. republicans -- they could've done it over every republican objection and they could've gotten everything they wanted. the
be reached in late january or february. speaking to a business roundtable, president obama responded to that idea this way. >> if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did this it last year, i will not play that game. >> john boehner and house republican leadership met with small business owners today to talk about the fiscal cliff, raising tax rates on the richest americans for them is still off the table. >> the revenues on the table are coming from, guess who? the rich. there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more of their money to the federal government without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. if the president doesn't agree with our proposal and our outline, i think he's got an obligation to send one to the congress. a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. >> joining me now is former vermont governor howard dean and
as a result of the debt crisis a couple of years ago. >> stephanie: that's right. >> caller: this is where obama snookered the republican party. >> stephanie: yeah. >> they agreed to this. >> stephanie: we said that at the time and we still got downgraded because of the republicans, but you are absolutely right. >> caller: yes and grover norquist on sunday on david marshmallow's show, said that obama was going to take us over the fiscal cliff. >> stephanie: yes, and it is because of republicans. you know what the funny names for republicans, just leave that to us. [ bell chimes ] [ applause ] >> stephanie: david marshmallow. yeah. hi, bob. >> caller: good morning. i just wanted to call about the bob costas thing and just say i started shooting when i was ten year's old, and i still believe there is a place for regulation in gun control. >> stephanie: uh-huh. >> caller: and i think the people that shout the loudest don't speak for even the majority of gun owners and i think there is this trained pavlovian dog whistle, and there's no room for discussion. >> stephanie: y
is delivering his rebuttal to president obama's pennsylvania speech. let us listen in. >> little to nothing to solve the bigger problem here, which is our national deficit and our national debt. this debt doesn't exist because we don't tax small businesses enough. it exists because washington continues to spend too much. raising taxes on small businesses instead of taking a balanced approach that also cuts spending, is wrong. it's only going to make it harder for our economy to grow. and if our economy doesn't grow, americans don't get new jobs. and the debt problem that we have will continue to threaten our children's future. as i said the day after the election, republicans are not seeking to impose our will on the president. we're seeking a bipartisan solution that can pass both chambers of congress and be signed into law by the president in the coming days. now during a campaign, the president pledged to the american people he would seek a balanced approach to addressing the debt, the combination of new revenues and spending cuts. so the day after the election, i said to the republican
president obama, the biggest whopper is the one about his reckless spending spree. as would be president mitt romney tells it, i will lead us out of this debt and spending inferno. >> oh, come on. really? >> stephanie: how did that go for you, mittens? government -- so here's the graph. government spend -- would you like the fun facts? >> government spending under obama including his stimulus bill is rising at 1.4% annualized pace slower than at any time in four years. >> how outrageous. >> stephanie: look. >> that's very visual. >> stephanie: everybody look. >> see the chart? >> those poor radio people. >> stephanie: as compared to reagan 8.7%. reagan '86-'89. bush two the second term i'm talking about 8.1%. 1.4% is where obama is. >> spending, spend spend! >> outrageous! >> i won't spend that. boehner is flabbergasted. i'm really flabbergasted! >> stephanie: did you see mitch mcconnell said he burst out laughing at the president's proposal. somebody sent me a picture of a galapagos turtle. >> i
president obama, we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we have seen record deficits and a record debt accumulate, and yet he keeps demanding that we raise taxes to pay for more spending. this will only hurt our economy. ernst and young has done an analysis of the president's proposal and said it will cost several hundreds thousands of jobs. there is a better way and the speaker has laid it out. it is an approach that calls for tax reform by reforming the tax code and passing responsible spending cuts in order to get our fiscal house in order. that's what america wants. this is our opportunity to do the big things. this is our moment to provide that leadership that america desperately wants and we stand here ready to take the action necessary. >> the american people are hurting right now and now is the moment where we need to step up to the plate and solve the problem. cann't know how any of us look our kids and grandkids in the eye and explain to them that we aren't willing to pay for the things we are enjoying today but just going t
the debt, now that we have virtually 3% gdp growth, we want do it in a way that's least damaging to the economy. almost all of them agree the obama approach is the right approach. increasing the rates on the wealthy will have no impact on job creation or gdp growth. >> professor dyson, we found out today that the austerity budgets used in the eurozone have sent employment to record highs. unemployment in spain is at 25%. unemployment in greece, 25%. how is it possible speaker boehner comes out and promotes paul ryan's budget for 2011 and 2012 as somehow the answer to our fiscal problems? >> i mean, this is the indication that i'm afraid that they're stuck in the mud attitude and their ostrich-like oblivion to what's going on in the real world will lead to disastrous consequences. i hope my good friend julian epstein is right crunching those numbers. the cbo, the cds, they're going to cbs even to check out the apoth carries to find out what they're prognosticating. these people are insensitive to the critical claims of the electorate and the voter out here, the population out here
should, one -- first of all, we have to pay down the debt he ran up. we're spending $1 trillion more each year, the federal government -- we, the federal government is spending $1 trillion more each year than when obama walked into office. it's that overspending we need to bring down. raising taxes doesn't solve the overspending problem. it feeds it. and, again, we have been through this lucy and the football thing in '82, in '90. we didn't take the advice of the tax increase last year, and we got spending restraint for the debt ceiling. remember, the republican house has a tremendous power over the debt ceiling. so all this stuff about how we have to bend to the emperor's will isn't true. >> all right. grover norquist, thanks very much. we appreciate yourtation the time tonight. let's bring in james carville and rihan salaam. good to see you. grover norquist is not bending. not yet. >> well, president obama, or as mr. norquist refers to him, obama -- president obama has done something mr. norquist has never done in his life and that's get people to vote for him. so i would also remind mr
changed the rules. that happened in the progressive era. it happened against with roosevelt. obama is looking -- is taking a page out of their book. the two things he wants to do is number one, you mentioned before. no congressional approval of a debt ceiling, and second, and they're going to do this one, it looks like, unless some rational democratic senators come to their aid which is change the rules of the senate to make 51 votes all that is necessary to pass a bill in the united states senate. it will eliminate by and large the filibuster. >> every majority wants to do that. >> they're the only ones that will do it. they're threatening to do that. in fact, they're scheduled to vote to do that, to change the rules in a way that's never been done before. it's been threatened before, but nobody's ever pulled the trigger on it. it looks like they're willing to pull the trigger to get what they want which is a majority rule to be able to force things down the throats of the american people that they don't want. >> if he gets his revenue but makes no structural change in the way we
that is a permanent solution to avoid a debt ceiling nightmare, like we had last year. here's what president obama said when he spoke to business ceos about this earlier today. >> i want to send a very clear message to people here, we are not going to play that game next year. if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes, and take us to the brink of default once again, as part of a budget negotiation, which, by the way, we have never done in our history, until we did it last year, i will not play that game. because we have got to break that habit before it starts. >> reporter: so just to be very clear, the white house sees this as three steps. a fiscal deal would include, one, some measure that would raise revenue. tax raising. two, a sequester, that's all those budget cuts that are going to kick in, some way to save money through spending cuts, probably on medicare changes. and then, three, some solution for the debt ceiling, both in the short-term and then some permanent solution to avoid that kind of nightmare repeating itself over and over, brook
leadership after president obama's opening bid. the president wants $1.6 trillion in new taxes, $50 billion in new stimulus spending, and expanded powers for the president to raise the federal debt limit without getting any approval from congress. a senior house gop source calls the president's plan, quote, absurd. and provides a 6-point explanation to back it up. is the economy headed for that fiscal cliff? is all of this negotiating dead in the water? let's bring in our panel. monica crowley, radio talk show host and author of monomemo.com. jewelry roginsky former political advisor to senator frank lautenberg of new jersey. both fox news contributors. you say the president is not interested in compromise at all? >> no. i have just wrote a whole book about this called, what the bleep just happened. i traced first four years of his presidency. anytime he proposed a economic proposal or physical proposal it contained the exact same elements, which is tax hikes, more spending, not less, no entitlement reform and pushing up the debt limit as far and as fast as possible. this should come as no
. they are happy because they are getting this extra money. if obama gets -- i don't have a charge card. i am paying off all my debt. we should pay off all large debt. how much are we paying for this debt that we go? that is a waste. why should anyone else do it? congress.s stick with here is "the washington times" -- look for our coverage on c-span2 for the senate floor proceedings. yesterday, a headline in "the washington times" -- president obama sending out this tweet -- then, she took to twitter to respond, saying -- that conversation happened on twitter yesterday between the two of them. also in other news on capitol hill, a republican congresswoman from missouri is quitting congress after her most recent reelection to come an energy ceo. the district covers all of southeast missouri. 62, at the first woman office in mike in washington,an independent caller, what are your thoughts on this? caller: you know, i have my doubts about a lot of things these days. one thing i wanted to mention is every time we have a situation where there was going to be a government shutdown, they put the fea
with president obama is he is a small-pinded president in big times . he talk about 35-39 that doesn't get us out of debt. >> that is tough rhetoric for senator lindd say graham. the president will meet with governors and representatives of big business to discuss the plan and house speaker jone boehner will meet with the governors and plans to conduct rallies with small business owners and not sure when they will sit down and talk again. >> steve: thank you very much, kelley. we heard there are a number of democrats willing to jump off of the cliff schumer to name one. the white house is telling democrat reporters that the president is not eager to but he is willing to go off of the cliff if the republicans don't agree to raising income tax rates. >> gretchen: that is not surprising. on the show, basically all of the cuts that are coming january 1st are part of the dnc platform except for raising taxes on the middle class which would be $2000 per family under $250,000 income. why would this be a smart thing to do. because january when congress is back in session and they have a few more democrat
the case is today. president obama extended them for two years. i wish he hadn't but he did. why? because it was the price he paid for getting the debt ceiling increase and for extending unemployment benefits for millions of americans. well now everything has changed. now we can -- we simply can no longer afford welfare for the rich. it is handing millionaires and billionaires a great big fat like $150,000 check a year. we can't afford it. we don't have the money. peter, as you pointed out, this is the number one issue in the election. the president made it clear at every appearance. if you want tax cuts, if you want the wealthiest of americans to pay a little more in taxes their fair share vote for me. if you want to give them a free ride, vote for romney. it's over. this issue has been decided. john boehner total total joke. i think the president -- i mean should just reject this thing out of hand and say we would rather have -- okay, here's my vote. do you agree? 1-866-55-press. my vote is no deal. no deal
. >> and there's only one way to avoid it. house republicans and president obama and his fellow democrats need to strike a deal before the end of the year on reducing the national debt to avoid that fiscal cliff. republican aid describe the tentative white house proposal this way. $1.6 trillion in revenue presented by secretary treasury secretary timothy geithner and stimulus and $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings. a permanent increase in the debt limit. >> so, let's get more on the standoff right now. joining us senator bernie sanders of vermont. he caucuses with the democrats. senator, first of all, congratulations on your re-election. thanks for coming in. republicans say, you know what, they'll be flexible, but the democrats have to be flexible, too, especially when it comes to entitlement spending. medicare, medicaid and even reform. are you open to any of that? >> when republicans talk about being flexible, we have not heard one definitive word to what they mean. second of all, our republican friends look up and understand that this issue of the fiscal cliff was debat
unchallenged. the truth is our national debt began to skyrocket under george bush with medicare part d fiasco. year under year under george w. bush, deficit came in at $500 billion. it is finally year of 2007-2008 president obama inherited the mess of trillion dollar annual deficits but none of this has been caused by medicare or medicaid. >> obviously entitlements. those lazy 47 percenters. >> stephanie: maria and david gregory should know better. >> yeah, they do. they're both major news anchors of major news networks. >> they're paying them lots of money to say lies. >> stephanie: the real culprits are the lack of revenue caused by the tax cuts. oh, he sent a helpful pie chart as well. >> we love pie charts. >> we love pie. >> stephanie: i love pie charts and graphs. the military security -- >> pie charts ala mode. >> stephanie: responsible for more than half the remaining spending or the $1.3 trillion. if david gregory would correct guests american public would know what the main drivers are. >> who would be i
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